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Herbert GURR

Edith Emily ALLEN, a single lady who never married, gave birth to three sons. The first was born when she was only sixteen, and the last when she was twenty one. All three were baptised at St Anthony, Alkham without reference to who their father was. The first and third had the names “Herbert” and “Gurr” as parts of their names. The middle son was named after Edith's youngest brother who had died at the age of two: again he was also given “Gurr” as part of his name. I have not seen birth certificates for any of the three boys. The names “Herbert” and “Gurr” do not appear in Edith's ancestral families anywhere as far as I can see.

I must state quite clearly that the following theory is only speculation. I believe that the name elements mentioned above show that all three children had the same father. It would seem, therefore, that Edith might have been in a long term (five year) relationship with a man called Herbert Gurr, and that he was the father of her children. If this was the case, it seems odd that they did not marry, but maybe Edith's parents would not give their consent, but this also seems odd. I cannot see any other impediment to their marriage.

I have researched who this Herbert Gurr might have been, and have found only one likely candidate. His details and some of his ancestry to give some context follow below. Whether or not he did have a relationship with Edith, there was no marriage on her reaching twenty one. The Herbert in question married another woman in 1907.

If anybody reading this can furnish me with any further information I would be very pleased to hear from you.



1.    Herbert GURR, born 1875 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), baptized 11 Feb 1875 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at 40 London Road, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent), resided 1914 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), resided 1934 at Lower Lodge, Old Park Road, Dover (Kent), occupation 1891 Tobacconist's Assistant, occupation 1901 Groom & Gardener, occupation 1914 Licensed Victualler, died 4th qtr 1956 in Dover (Kent) - Aged 81. He married Kathleen NOWLAN, 3rd qtr 1907 at Register Office, Dover (Kent).


Parents

2.    Henry Sandford GURR, born 1831 in Canterbury (Kent), baptized 24 Aug 1831 at St Peter, Canterbury (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 in Ringwould (Kent), census 1861 at 8 Herbert Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent), occupation 1851 House Servant, occupation 1861 General Labourer, occupation 1871 - 1891 Licensed Victualler, occupation 1901 Retired Licensed Victualler, died Aug 1908 in Buckland, Dover (Kent) - Aged 77, buried 24 Aug 1908 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent). He married Martha Ann REEVES, 7 Aug 1864 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent).

                             Children:

                  i          (George) Edgar GURR or REEVES, born 1862 in Dover (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent).

                  ii         Sandford GURR, born 1869 in Dover (Kent), baptized 2 Mar 1869 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), resided 1934 at 15 Hamilton Road, Dover (Kent). He married Edith PILCHER, 8 Oct 1888 at St Andrew, Buckland, Dover (Kent).

                  iii        Ernest GURR, born 1870 in Dover (Kent), baptized 21 Apr 1870 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at 40 London Road, Buckland, Dover (Kent), resided 1898 - 1905 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), occupation 1891 Tobacconist, occupation 1898 - 1905 Licensed Victualler, died 1914 following a car accident.

                  iv        Martha GURR, born 1873 in Dover (Kent), baptized 29 Oct 1873 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent).

       1.        v         Herbert GURR, born 1875 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), baptized 11 Feb 1875 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at 40 London Road, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent), resided 1914 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), resided 1934 at Lower Lodge, Old Park Road, Dover (Kent), occupation 1891 Tobacconist's Assistant, occupation 1901 Groom & Gardener, occupation 1914 Licensed Victualler, died 4th qtr 1956 in Dover (Kent) - Aged 81. He married Kathleen NOWLAN, 3rd qtr 1907 at Register Office, Dover (Kent).

3.    Martha Ann REEVES, born 1837 in Sandhurst (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent), died 2nd qtr 1913 in Dover (Kent) - Aged 76.


Grandparents

4.    Henry GURR, born 1800 in Burmarsh (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), occupation 1841 Labourer, occupation 1851 Labourer to Bricklayer, died Jul 1853 Age given as 53, buried 20 Jul 1853 at St Andrew, Buckland, Dover (Kent). He married Sarah Ann NORRIS, 19 Jul 1825 at St Mary Bredman, Canterbury (Kent).

                             Children:

                  i          Sarah GURR, born 1826, census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent).

                  ii         Eleanor Maria GURR, born 1827, baptized 11 Feb 1827 at St Mary Northgate, Canterbury (Kent), died Oct 1828 at Ratcliff Rents, Canterbury (Kent) - Aged 20 months, buried 12 Oct 1828 at St Peter, Canterbury (Kent).

                  iii        Ellen Maria GURR, born 1829, baptized 12 Apr 1829 at St Peter, Canterbury (Kent), died Jun 1840 at Bulwark Street, Dover (Kent) - Aged 11, buried 23 Jun 1840 at St Mary the Virgin, Dover (Kent).

       2.        iv        Henry Sandford GURR, born 1831 in Canterbury (Kent), baptized 24 Aug 1831 at St Peter, Canterbury (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 in Ringwould (Kent), census 1861 at 8 Herbert Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1871 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1881 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1891 at Wheelwrights Arms, Bridge Street, Charlton, Dover (Kent), census 1901 at 1 St Andrews Terrace, Crabble, Dover (Kent), occupation 1851 House Servant, occupation 1861 General Labourer, occupation 1871 - 1891 Licensed Victualler, occupation 1901 Retired Licensed Victualler, died Aug 1908 in Buckland, Dover (Kent) - Aged 77, buried 24 Aug 1908 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent). He married Martha Ann REEVES, 7 Aug 1864 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent).

                  v         William Richard GURR, born 1833 in Lympne (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1861 at 8 Herbert Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), occupation 1851 Servant to a Gentleman, occupation 1861 General Labourer. He married Emma SAVAGE, 9 Oct 1854 at St Andrew, Buckland, Dover (Kent), born 1835 in Ewell (Kent), census 1861 at 8 Herbert Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent).

                  vi        Ann GURR, born 1837 in Hythe (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent).

                  vii       Jane Elizabeth GURR, born 1840 in Dover (Kent), baptized 18 Oct 1840 at St Mary the Virgin, Dover (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent).

                  viii      John GURR, born 1843 in Dover (Kent), baptized 3 Mar 1843 at St Mary the Virgin, Dover (Kent), died Mar 1843 at Paradise Street, Dover (Kent) - Aged 9 days, buried 12 Mar 1843 at St Mary the Virgin, Dover (Kent).

                  ix        Alfred Thomas GURR, born 1845 in Buckland, Dover (Kent), baptized 10 Sep 1845 at St Andrew, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), census 1861 at 8 Herbert Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), occupation 1861 General Labourer, died May 1894 Aged 48, buried 12 May 1894 at St Andrew, Buckland, Dover (Kent).

5.    Sarah Ann NORRIS, born 1802 in Canterbury (Kent), census 1841 at Bulwark Lane, Dover (Kent), census 1851 at George Street, Buckland, Dover (Kent), died 3rd qtr 1869 in Dover (Kent) - Aged 67, buried 11 Sep 1869 at Ss Peter & Paul, Charlton, Dover (Kent).


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